Forward structure, sometimes referred as follow output or follow son, is well, a follow structure. Follow output is rather special compared to other follow structures because it does not take into account the strength of DM.
DTS says:
一出门来只见儿,
Once getting out of the door only the son is seen,
吾儿成气构门闾:
My son gets the Qi to form the gates (of the village and the city)
从儿不管身强弱,
Follow son does not matter if self is strong or weak,
只要吾儿又得儿。
As long as my son also gets (his) son.
Door, obviously refers to the month EB, Firstly, output must be seen in the month EB. Secondly, the phrase talks about getting out of the door, which I think refers to protruding in the HS. Thus, the criteria for a follow output chart should be
1. DM born in the months of the output
2. Output protrudes in the HS
The second phrase talks about getting the Qi and forming the gates. In my opinion, It implies that the Qi of the output must be so strong it encompasses the Qi of other elements.
The third phrase is self explanatory. It does not matter if DM is strong or weak when it comes to follow output.
The fourth phrase emphasize on the presence of Wealth elements in the chart. My son is clearly the output, My son's son is clearly the wealth.
In summary, to get a good follow output structure. The criteria are:
1. Month EB must be output
2. Output must protrude in the HS
3. The Qi of output is the strongest
4. Wealth element must be present in the chart
5. Regardless weather DM's strength is strong or weak, as long as output and wealth are strong, it can be considered a good chart.
6. Output has to be strong and engendering Wealth
Like for example this chart
Chart of a president of a country
1. Output is overwhelmingly strong in Month EB and hour EB
2. Output protrudes in Year and Hour HS
3. Wealth protrudes in Month HS and is moved by Yin-Wu combination
4. DM is weak but it really does not matter
5. Strong output engendering strong wealth
Which president?
ReplyDeleteIs there anything in ancient books about fake follow. I have no output in stem so Im told I am fake follow
Ding ding xin xin
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My chart
Please check my chart: DOB 18 September 1983 02:00 a.m Padang, Indonesia (GMT +7). Is it Fake Following Son or Following Son structure?
ReplyDeleteBased on your Bazi chart structure and classical pattern analysis rules, I classify it as a Follow Output Pattern (从儿格, Cóng Ér Gé) for the following detailed reasons:
DeleteCore Logic of Follow Output Pattern
The Follow Output Pattern occurs when:
1. Day Master (己土/Ji Earth) is extremely weak with no reliable support.
2. Output Element (食伤/Shi Shang – "Children" element) dominates the chart (>70% presence).
3. Wealth Element (财/Cái) is strong and flows from the Output Element.
4. No contradicting elements (印/Stamp or 比劫/Peer elements) disrupt the dominance.
Your chart meets all four criteria definitively:
1. Day Master (Ji Earth) is Critically Weak
- Ji Earth (Yin Earth) is born in You (酉) month (Mid-Autumn, peak Metal season).
- Metal (金) is the Output Element (食伤) of Earth (Earth → produces Metal).
- Key weakness factors:
- Zero Fire (印/Stamp) to support Earth (no "mother" element).
- Zero strong Earth (比劫/Peers) – only weak Chou (丑) exists (semi-Metal due to 巳酉丑合金局).
- Metal drains Earth: Ji Earth is "bled dry" by excessive Metal (食伤泄身).
- Water (财/Wealth) further weakens Earth (Gui Hai year: Water consumes Earth).
Result: Ji Earth has no roots or support → qualifies as "extremely weak."
Is mine follow? Or fake follow?
Delete9 January 1962 2pm
Thanks
https://www.onthisday.com/date/1954/february/26 erdogan is the president
ReplyDeleteI have 18% of output, 38% of wealth and 37% of influence, dm is very weak.. do and dw are dominating.. is it enough output to be a good card?
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