DuBu says:
弃命从财，须要会财，若逢根气，命损无猜。
Abandon life to follow Wealth, must meet wealth, if root or Qi is seen, damaged life is unquestionable.
Trey: Meet Wealth is commonly known to be 3 combinations or 3 meetings that form a Wealth frame, for example Ding uses You as Wealth, with Si-You-Chou or Shen-You-Xu forming a Wealth frame.
假如丁生酉月，柱多庚辛，日干无气，只得弃命相从，运入北方财官旺地，乃为入格，南行灾。
For example, Ding born in the month of You, there are many Geng and Xin in the chart, Day Stem has no Qi, then (DM) can only abandon life to follow, when Luck goes to north where wealth and officer are prosperous, it is qualified to be in this structure, southern Luck means disaster.
Trey: 日干无气, Day stem has no Qi means DM no root (Qi) in any of the branches.
古歌云：日干无气满盘财，弃命相从是福胎，运旺财官皆皆福贵，如逢根助反为灾。
Old song says: Day stem without Qi and the chart is full of Wealth, abandon life to follow is a fortunate person (胎 means womb, the phrase means the person is born in a good family), the Luck Pillars that prosper Wealth and Officer are blessings, if root or support is seen, it is disastrous instead.
Trey: In summary, we can know a follow wealth structure when these criteria are met.
1. DM is born in the month of Wealth, like Ding in the month of You
2. A Wealth frame is present, in my opinion a half frame would be sufficient, but then the follow God would be weak.
3. DM has no Qi
4. The structure is truly established only when Luck supports the Follow God. Otherwise it is inauspicious.
4. The structure is truly established only when Luck supports the Follow God. Otherwise it is inauspicious.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteJi Ding Bing Xin
You You Shen Chou
I believe the above is a Follow the Wealth chart. Bing (RW) which could have prevented the formation should be combined away by Xin.
This DM’s went through metal and water LP in the first 50 years of her life and spent about 10 years running her own business. However, she seems more like a Wealth structure weak DM person during the period as she did not make much money in her business and hardly has any savings although she is not a carefree spendtrift! She is by no means poor but it is predominantly because her husband is able to provide for her.
However, towards the end of her Xin Chou LP she was affected by a serious illness and in the Ren Yin LP, she contracted cancer and recovery has not been as expected. Ren Yin is strong resource for Ding and if we read her chart as a normal chart, it is favourable for her despite the clash. Hopefully her health will get better as it can take a few years before the luck of an LP kicks in. Of course, if she has a Follow the Wealth Chart, then this luck pillar will be bad but it is not possible as she would have made a lot of money if her chart was in fact a follow the wealth chart. Where do you think went wrong?
From your accounts is indeed follow wealth structure when she is sick on the wood years, metal clash wood.
ReplyDeleteHowever not all follow wealth structure make alot of money, this case the RW has priority on her wealth.
The penetrating stem is transform away toe 7K on water LP. Its closer to follow 7K.
Dear Joe,
ReplyDeleteI agree that this is a follow structure as DM has no Qi.
I also agree with anonymous that this is more likely a follow 7K structure. Reason being Bing + Xin does transform to Water in Shen month.
If we look at the chart as fake follow 7K structure, then the LPs perfect sense. Xin Chou would give additional support to Ji earth and 7K is countered, and Yin provides much support to DM and Ji earth and that cause even more troubles to 7K
Hi Trey and Anoynamous,
ReplyDeleteThis chart gets more confusing! This DM’s character looks more like wealth than 7k. What is the characteristics of a Fake Follow 7k?
For more info, she went through the Geng Zi pillar which should enhance the 7k but I do not recall much 7k strengths being displayed during that period. Her life was merely average without much ups and downs during that period.
Also this year is a metal frame which should support a follow 7k chart, but her illness seemed to have got worst when she entered the Geng Shen month !
Dear Joe,
ReplyDeleteFollow 7K chart has several criteria to be auspicious
1. Follow god is 'real'
2. Follow god is not countered
3. DM must not have Qi support from the EB.
To be even more auspicious, Chen should present in the natal chart.
This is not a complete follow 7K because it's broken. Ji Food God on the hour pillar is the culprit. We know how effective Food can counter 7K.
As the inauspicious god reside on the hour pillar, it can mean several thing
1. She does not have good children
2. After 50 years old her life will be bad.
3. Her career is bad.
Wood might be the best element for her, to counter earth.
According to YHZP, water being injured by earth causes sickness that is related to kidney and prostrate or for women, her reproductive system.
Hi Trey,
Deletereplace Chou by Wei in this BaZi, can Bing Xin still transform?
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteDoes the following falls under a follower (wealth) chart or simply a weak chart?
壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
Although 丑 is rooted to DM, but does 亥子丑 (seasonal transformation) takes place to make this chart a follower chart? Would like to seek your view. Thanks.
Ben
Dear Ben
ReplyDelete壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
I believe this is a normal structure. Even though the transformation takes place, Ji DM does not lose its Qi in Shen and Chou.
Another reason why this is not a follow wealth structure is because Jia protrudes in the HS, when authority protrudes in HS, follow wealth structure cannot be established.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the input. This is indeed a normal weak chart. The chart is cold. During LP 己未, will 丑未 clash brings harm to DM or does it provide more support to DM? Is earth element favourable to the DM in the first place?
Rgds
Ben
Hi Ben,
ReplyDelete壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
There are 2 useful elements in this chart, one is Wealth and the the Other is Officer, even though DM is born out of season, it still has the support from Chou and Shen, which makes it competent enough to take on Wealth and Officers.
Ji Wei in my opinion is only a so-so pillar because Ji HS is a parallel, DM has to share the Wealth stars and Officer star with this parallel. Wei can provide support to the DM, but Chou Wei clash disturbs the root for the DM.
A better element is fire, most Wealth structures love Seal, especially when DM is not that strong, and, as you say this chart could really use some warmth.
Trey
Hi Trey,
ReplyDelete壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
Classical bazi is indeed intriguing. I didn't expect that wealth and officer are useful elements in this chart. If based on modern Bazi, wealth and officer should be unfavourable elements for weak DM while Parallel & resource are the useful elements.
I agree with you totally that wealth structure loves meeting seal. Fire is most needed to warm up this chart. I presume following LP 戊午, 丁已, 丙辰 (which contains fire element) will be more beneficial to the DM.
Trey, any words of advise for this DM? Can he attain fame and riches eventually?
Thanks,
Ben
Dear Ben,
ReplyDeleteClassical BaZi does not analyze a chart from the strength of the DM point of view. Analysis begins with the chart structure, which is derived from the Useful God of the Month EB. Most structures favor strong DM, whereas Seal structure favors weak DM [SMTH, Discuss Seal and ribbon].
Modern bazi viewpoint where Strong DM favors Wealth and Authority and Weak DM favors Parallel and Seal has been around before Ming dynasty. Several ancient Masters, like Zhang Nan 张楠 (Ming) who authored SFTK 神峰通考 and Ren TieQiao 任铁樵 (Qing) who annotated DTS 滴天随 shared this view. Master Ren TieQiao's annotation on DTS had really influenced Master Xu LeWu 徐乐吾 annotation of ZPZQ, which is named ZPZQPZ 子平真诠评注。 It is Master Xu's teaching that is widely practiced today. Though recently many practitioners have realized that Master Xu's work strayed much from the original meaning of ZPZQ, and has caused so much confusion in the BaZi world.
壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
This chart has a very clean structure, with only minor flaws, will the person become rich? yes, most likely. 万事俱备，只欠东风.
If this is indeed the chart for the owner, my advice to the chart owner is to build a strong foundation and then set the goal really high because so much can be achieved with a chart like this. Like so much, so much.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDelete壬己甲癸
申丑子亥
Thanks for your insights. Although presence of parallel in LP 己未 means sharing of wealth with others from classical bazi perspective, but there must have wealth to begin with, and can 己 or 戊 HS in LP be deemed as a requirement for wealth activation to take place? Modern bazi denotes a weak DM with wealth structure lacks capability to take on wealth by oneself and need support from parallel to control the wealth.
This chart is real and the DM needs to put in a lot of effort to pave his road to success before he can enjoy the fruits of his hard labour. DM is in current LP 辛酉 (age 28-37), followed by LP 庚申,己未,戊午,丁已.
Trey, how would you rate this DM from relationship aspect? A wealth structure with many wealth god could also mean $ and women. Chances of meeting new girls are high. Is it advisable to marry late (after 40s) to have a stable marriage and will the wife be supportive to the DM given 丑 (earth) is in spouse palace (day EB). I wonder if 子丑 combination (successful transformation?) has any effect on the marriage.
Pse advise.
Ben
Hi Ben,
ReplyDeleteI believe Ji is only so-so, it's not the perfect star to have when the chart is full of benevolent gods. This is because Ji would fight with DM for Jia Officer and divide the wealth stars.
五行绝处，禄马扶身；四柱奇中，比肩分福
As for Wu HS, it's relatively harmless because Jia Officer would protect the wealth stars from the robber (Rob Wealth). I think this sort of makes Wu HS works for the DM as a support, and so Wu is better than Ji.
The Hurting Officer LP is very inauspicious, except for the fire years, the subject must really be careful when fire is not around. 伤官见官, 为祸百端
Without fire, it's difficult for the subject to be successful. A good seed cannot germinate at the wrong temperature, the owner's talents cannot be recognized.
A wealth structure with a weak DM is like a banker, someone who handles a lot of money but cannot utilize them.
As for relationship, I think the owner should be with his peers or someone who is around his age. Marriage is good and DM does not have to marry late.
Zi Chou cannot transform to earth in the middle of winter when water takes command.
Regards,
Trey
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteIt's quite worrying that Hurting Officer LP will be an inauspicious period for the DM. Can 壬/癸 in natal chart helps to arbitrate the direct countering of 伤官见官 and reduce the harmful effect?
Thanks for the explaination on subject needs Fire to be successful. I believe 东风 (mentioned in earlier post) is also referring to Fire element. It seems DM has to sail through a rough ride before fire comes to the rescue at a later stage. In your opinion, with this given chart and LP 辛酉,庚申,己未,戊午,丁已, can the subject still be rich in this lifetime?
Rgds,
Ben
Hi Ben,
ReplyDeleteThat pillar is really worrisome, Gui and Ren can help to transform HO, but Wealth is an element that is always being countered (by DM). It is good that Wealth is really strong in the chart, but still Geng Shen would be an inauspicious pillar.
Yes, fire is what I thought as the eastern wind. If DM can make it through Geng Shen pillar (especially the earth years) and the metal years of the earthly pillars, he will get his eastern wind and achieve great success definitely.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the chart analysis and the valuable advice that you have given to the DM. Your blogs are superb and I enjoy reading it so much.
It is not an easy task to do the translation. It takes someone with good understanding of the chinese language and culture to do it & i am glad to say you have done a splendid job. Keep it up !! Looking forward to your new blogs.
Rgds,
Ben
Hi Ben,
ReplyDeletePlease send my best regards to the chart owner and I wish him all the best in his endeavors.
孔子说: 知者不惑，仁者不忧，勇者不惧
Master Confucius said:
A man who knows is never confused, a man who is benevolent does not worry, a man who is courageous does not fear.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteAs I continue reading your other blogs, I realize you mention about the consideration of time adjustment in the natal chart. I did a check and it turns out there is a time difference of 65 mins. The new natal chart of the DM is as follows:
辛己甲癸
未丑子亥
The difference lies in the hour pillar. Is this chart better, same, or worse than the original chart with HP 壬申? Does DM still need to be careful during LP Geng Shen ?
Rgds,
Ben
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteAre you able to give some advice on the concerns above? Thank you for your time.
Rgds,
Ben
Dear Ben,
ReplyDeleteI deleted a comment before this, because I adressed to the wrong person. My apology.
辛己甲癸
未丑子亥
Is not as clean as with Ren Shen pillar, I believe it's less auspicious.
For a Wealth structure with strong Wealth and protruding Officer, Food has very little use as strong wealth does not need to be engendered by Food.
Food renders parallel stars ineffective at dividing Wealth but it also contaminates Officer star.
Geng Shen pillar would become more inauspicious, as Geng now has Xin as a gang.
Though, this Xin is lightly rooted and can easily be countered or combined away with fire. Fire remains the most auspicious LP to come but the magnitude of success would be reduced.
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
ReplyDelete辛己甲癸
未丑子亥
Thanks for your sharing. My initial assessment was that HS 辛 is not favorable because earth produces metal, thus it sorts of exhaust the DM. However, the effect on Officer star (metal chop wood) is reduced due to the placement of the stars e.g 辛甲 not sitting next to each other.
The hour branch 未 should be able to provide more support to the DM as it contains both earth and fire Qi in it, whereby fire is the most sought element for this chart.
Trey, you have mentioned that the magnitude of success would be reduced. So, can the DM still become rich if he manage to get through Geng Shen LP, or he is destined to lead a commoner life?
Rgds,
Ben
Dear Ben,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that Xin countering Jia is reduced because they are not placed close to each other and about Wei bringing some warmth to the chart.
Grading a BaZi chart follows a few important principles.
1. 有情 Having affection
2. 有力 Having strength
This chart scores quite well on the second criteria - strength, with DM rooted in Chou and Wei, Wealth supported by a frame and Officer engendered by prosperous Wealth.
Affection is about the correct dynamics between the Gods. For example, a Wealth structure with protruding Officer is considered affectionate as Wealth has to be protected by Officer and Officer has to be engendered by Wealth.
In this same criterion, having a Food to engender Wealth for this chart is considered not affectionate, because
1. Prosperous Wealth does not need to be engendered.
2. Food God can counter Officer to a lesser degree.
In other words, Food God has no use for a structure like this. It does give any positive effects.
Fire on the HS would 'clean' this chart up by combining or countering the Food away. Fire under the earth does not have such capability.
The previous chart was exceptionally clean, it was a very high grade chart.
This chart is also auspicious but to a lesser degree, it's still a very good chart and I believe it's above average and with Fire on HS, he can still be successful and live a comfortable life, but not likely to become one of the richest / powerful in his country.
Dear Trey,
ReplyDeleteI am new to bazi analysis and found your site to be very helpful. I was wondering if the below chart satisfies the follow wealth chart. I believe conditions 1 to 3 are satisfied, but I am uncertain about condition 4. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks in advance.
Geng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
壬己甲癸
ReplyDelete申丑子亥
hmm this chart, i see it as work work work, without any avail. The hardworking mentality is there but is likely to stuck at the bottom. Without the resource inside natal is very difficult to cut through.
Yet to see a mass wealth weak DM chart succeed.
This chart is frozen, can his Officer do anything? A chart has too many benevolent gods don't do well in today's context, honesty dosen't pay off. The 7 Killings, Hurting Officers, Robs will eat this personality alive.
ReplyDeleteSurvive comfortably is not an issue for him obviously.
Hi day61,
ReplyDeleteGeng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
This is a Wealth structure, no doubt. But Bing cannot follow Wealth because it has a ChangSheng Qi in Yin, a Storage Qi in Xu and a parallel Bing in heaven. This chart favors Direct Officer as Geng Indirect Wealth protrudes in Hour stem, very auspicious late years.
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your insight. Can you describe more on what type of wealth structure would this be? I was reading the post on structures and there are so many.
I was also wondering what you mean by very auspicious later years. Does that mean his life prior to would be not so good? He is currently in the Gui Si LP.
Dear day61,
ReplyDeleteI believe this is an Indirect Wealth structure, Bing + Xin transformation to water is not favorable as it becomes 7K. So the Year and Month pillars are not as good as the houe pillar where Wealth and Resource reside.
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteGeng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
You is LinGuan in Xin. Being rooted, does Bing + Xin still transform to form water?
What are the Qi phases that can resist HS transformation? Besides DiWang, can LinGuan and GuanDai consider strong qi enough to resist the transformation?
Rgds,
Ben
Dear Ben,
ReplyDeleteAFAIK, the month command dictates the transformation when the combination does not involve the DM. Having any of the strong Qi stages under the branches beside the month would not stop the transformation from taking place. However, they can influence how 'True' the transformation can be especially for the Yang stems, Yin stems always have the tendency to transform when the 'gang' of the transformation god is strong. For example in this chart, metal is strong, month command is the birth (ChangSheng) of water, metal and water are a gang, Xin will follow Bing to transform to water.
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
DeleteFrom my limited knowledge, I was under of the understandign that Ren was favorable for a Bing DM, but you write that 7K (or Ren) is actually unfavorable. Can you explain a bit?
I am also a bit confused with transformations. If Bing + Xin transforms into 7K, does that mean the chart no longer has Bing + Xin iks removed from chart and only 7K remains>? What would be the strength of this transformed 7K?
I read your post concerning solar time adjustment and now there is some uncertainty on the hour pillar. The reason is that the solar adjustment is 23 minutes and the birth time falls around the 0320h to 0330h time range. Is there some way to tell which hour pillar the person would fall into?
Thanks and regards,
day61
Dear day61
DeleteRen 7K is a malevolent God. it is favorable under certain circumstances:
1. Ren is under control of Wu earth of Ji earth
2. DM Bing is born in Wu (Yang Ren structure)
3. Seal protruding in the HS
4. Bing is born in Chen with only a single Ren protruding without any metal protruding.
5. Ren is on the hour pillar and is very lightly rooted while Bing is strong.
6. When DM is excessively strong.
When 7K is under control by Food God, or if it is exhausted by Seal, it loses its malevolence and becomes Indirect Officer.
Ren is not favorable when
1. DM is weak or lightly rooted
2. Wealth is protruding with 7K without Seal.
A simple analogy:
7K is like a rouge, when DM is strong, he can make the rouge work for him, when he gives food to the rouge, the rouge will be under the DM's control. DM can use the rouge to protect his Wealth or use to get some authority.
If DM is weak, he will not be able to control the rouge, the rouge will attack DM instead of helping him.
Wealth is the element that engenders 7K, the presence of Wealth will make this rouge stronger, and becomes more difficult for DM to control him.
If there's some uncertainty on the hour, we can use divination to determine which is the correct hour. But I dont know any divination haha.
Dear Trey,
DeleteGeng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
Thanks for the sharing your insight. Great analogy with the rogue. So when 7K is controlled by Food God, it loses its malevolence and becomes Indirect Officer. I believe Xu and Shen both contain Wu (Food God) as its hidden stem. Is this enough to control the 7K in this chart?
It seems the DM strength is very important when analyzing 7K, but I am not sure whether the DM is weak or strong. There is a Bing in the month pillar and the hidden stem of Xu provides a Ding. Xu is also the tomb of fire, which strongly supports fire. However, there is a lot of metal in the chart which would fight with fire. What would be your view on the strength of the DM?
Thanks and regards,
day61
Hi Day61,
ReplyDeleteBazi reading should not start from strength of DM, which is the standard taught in modern school. For classical bazi, analysis begins with the type of chart structure (using Month EB) and the dynamic interaction among the 10 gods.
Of course, if you would like to know the strength of your DM, personally I find that the DM is weak. Nevertheless, with support from yin branch and fire storage in Xu, the DM is still able to handle wealth, and the ability to control it become greater during auspicious LP.
On separate note to Trey, I realized you have blog on indirect wealth and direct officer on hour pillar. Is there any article which you can share with us about eating god on hour pillar?
Thanks,
Ben
Dear day61,
ReplyDelete1. BaZi is made of Heaven (HS), Earth(EB) and Under the Earth (HHS). Hidden stems 藏干 or 'stored stems' are barely usable, they function to a limited extent, as they are buried under the earth. HS is the most powerful of the three layers while HHS is the least powerful. EBs are as powerful as the HS when they form a frame.
2. DM is strong enough to take on the 7K and Wealth, but it is difficult for DM to achieve great success as the structure is incomplete.
For a 7K + Wealth chart, Food would not function as well as Seal for a DM without the support of the season because Food will exhaust the limited DM Qi.
Seal is the mark of authority. The classics used to say 'Officer without Seal is not True Officer' - when DM has Officer, he has authority, but without Seal he has no proof that he has authority.
For a weak DM having a Seal to exhaust the 7K is like having authority over the bunch of rouges.
The best of BaZi structure is arguably a strong DM who has Wealth to support a bunch of rouges or polices (DO) and at the same time having authority over them. This will make DM a very powerful person.
Dear Ben,
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know, having Indirect Officer or Indirect Wealth on the hour pillar is special. Both Gods are extremely powerful when they are placed on the hour pillar. Another powerful god on the hour pillar is 禄神 Fortune God, like Jia meeting Yin. But for the other gods they have to be analyzed like common structures.
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
ReplyDeleteGeng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
Thanks very much for your sharing. That really clears up the relative strength of the HS, EB, and HHS.
1. Just to clarify, in the above case, the metal frame formed by EBs Xu Shen You would be as strong as an HS? What is the strength of the 7K transformed from Bing and Xin? Would it be as strong as the Bing DM or Geng in the hour pillar?
2. So what you mean is that the chart is missing seal, and therefore incomplete?
Dear Ben,
Thanks very much for your sharing as well. Can you comment on what LP would be auspicious? From what Trey wrote above, I am under the impression that Wood would be auspicious. Would Wood be the "Useful God" as well?
Thanks and regards,
day61
Dear day61,
Delete1a. Yes, having a Wealth frame is as strong as having Wealth star protruding in the HS if not stronger, but we don't really judge their relative strength as it is not very informative. Rather, we look at how they function in the chart.
1b. Bing DM sits on fire storage, having a ChangSheng Qi in the hour EB, supported by a Seal in Yin. Water is born in Shen, engendered by metal with a frame. While Yin and Xu also arch a frame. On the entire chart, it's difficult to judge which is stronger.
2. The structure cannot be established as Wealth engendering 7K, so we take it as 7K structure rivalled by Self, The chart has to wait for Seal to arrive, or it can wait for the first 2 pillars to be over as Fire gets stronger in the day and hour pillars.
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Geng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
The birthtime of the person was recently confirmed. Do you need the full birth date including birth time/birth place or will the bazi provided be sufficient to determine his luck pillars?
I also had some follow up queries to the response on 30NOV2013:
2a. Can you explain why the structure cannot be established as Wealth engendering 7K?
2b. You earlier wrote that this was a wealth structure, but now you mention it is a 7K structure rivaled by self. Am I correct to understand that it is no longer a wealth structure?
2c. My understanding is that from 9 to 28, the person is going through Seal Luck Pillar. What can the person expect after 29 years old? Can the person benefit from any other LPs?
Separately:
A. When Bing and Xin transform into Ren, does Ren occupy the Month Pillar or the Year Pillar?
B. From your comments, am I correct to take that the "Useful God" for this chart is Seal?
Thanks again for your sharing.
Regards,
day61
Dear day61,
Delete1. For a complete reading, the information needed are birthday, time and location. Location is important for time adjustment (although a lot of practitioners don't do that)
The date is important not only for plotting a chart, it is also needed to check the solar term to know the god is taking command.
Luck Pillars are plotted from the Month Pillar, according to YinYang of the gender of the subject. Time and Location are not useful for plotting the Luck Pillars.
2a Wealth cannot be established as engendering 7K structure. That goes against the concept of 顺用 and 逆用.
2b. As both Wealth and 7K share the command we say it's a double structure, but 7K takes precedence over Wealth as it is the engendered element. In this case, both Wealth and 7K becomes unfavorable because of the absence of Seal and Food. DM is alone in fighting the Devil. As DM is Bing fire supported by Yin and Xu arching frame, DM is strong enough. But without a Seal, the elements cannot be in harmony.
2c. The Seals, the Parallels and the Outputs are all helpful for DM to fight the Devil.
A. When elements combine and transform, they retain their original images but function in their transformed images.
B. Nope, Useful Gods are Wealth and Devil.
You are most welcome
Regards
Trey
Dear Trey,
DeleteThanks again for sharing!
The person in question is male, and born 05SEP1981 at 0338h in Hong Kong.
2a. So this is a Wealth and 7k double structure. For Wealth, are you referring to the Geng Indirect Wealth on the hour pillar?
2b1. You mention that Bing DM is supported by a "Yin and Xu arching frame". Are you referring to a partial frame of Yin Wu Xu? How strong is a partial frame like this, in comparison to a full frame?
2b2. I read about the case of 財旺生官 in another post. Wealth/metal is very strong here (Metal Directional Frame with Indirect Wealth on Hour Pillar) and there is no Hurting Officer or Food God in the Heaven Stems. Would 財旺生官 apply?
B. So I read in your post that "Useful God" does not mean they are necessarily beneficial. In this case, both Wealth and Devil are not very beneficial.
Regards,
day61
Hi all
ReplyDeleteI found the discussion here insightful and realised there are many experts here. Would really appreciate it if you can help me out and also take a look at my bazi.
I'm born 29 Sep 1988, 15:07 SG time, which is a follow the wealth chart. However if adjust for solar time it will be something like 14:12 SG time.
Firstly i don't know if it should be adjusted or follow the birth cert. Please advise, and hope you can tell me how my future is gonna be, and how i can utilise my strengths and weaknesses.
Thank you.
regards
Alpha
Hi Alpha,
ReplyDeleteI personally think time adjustment is the correct method. So I'd plot your chart as below:
Ding Ding Xin Wu
Hai Wei You Chen
It's an indirect wealth structure. Your future lies in doing business, that is also your strength.
Ding parallel is not a favorable deity for an Indirect Wealth structure, success will not come easily.
In this case, HO on the Year pillar have to transform parallel into Wealth. As HO indicates scholarship, a business that involves education is the way to go.
Best Regards
Thanks Trey
DeleteSo do you mean that i should avoid going the path of a typical Indirect Wealth guy and instead live like a HO guy?
Do you by any chance give consultations?
Thanks!
Alpha
Can you elaborate more on HO transforming Parallel into wealth?
DeleteHow does it work and why?
Regards,
Alpha
Hi Alpha,
DeleteIW structure fears parallel stars, when it is seen, it is regarded as a broken structure, the rescue is an authority star, preferably DO, but DO is absent from the chart.
When parallel star cannot be controlled, the other option is to transform it. So, the HO star at Year Pillar is auspicious. It transforms the parallels into IW. To overcome your obstacles in becoming successful, you need to focus on utilizing the talents of the HO star, HO represent a number of things, education, arts, generally things that require learning.
I don't give consultation, just a little reading here and there when there's 缘.
Regards
Hi Trey
ReplyDeleteThanks, i actually went to do more reading up, but of coz in bazi little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge, so please advise me.
Very interesting, i thought that IW and HO would be bad for me coz they are metal and earth, whereas im a weak fire DM. So i thought that Parallel would be good as well. Seems like the standard logic doesn't apply for mine?
Secondly, right now i am a forex dealer(with no comm), am i in the right place or should i be in wood/fire industries?
Lastly, you only mentioned these 3 stars, so i don't have to concern myself with the other stars?
Thanks for your time!!
Hi Alpha,
ReplyDeleteThe standard logic is not really 'standard' per se in classical bazi. The DM needs affection and strength. Affection is provided by the Indirect Wealth star, strength is lacking a little. Parallel star does not provide strength when the month command is a benevolent god.
As an example, if the father (IW) is wealthy, the DM is the only child of the family, naturally he will inherit all his father's wealth. If the DM has a sibling (parallel star) then his father's wealth would be divided between the DM and his sibling.
Imho, forex is not the way to go. It's a manifestation of the unfriendly parallel star. You should change to another career.
Regards
Trey
Interestingly why would u say forex is parallel aka fire element? I thought forex and also shares are metal elements?
DeleteAlpha
Hi Alpha,
DeleteI didn't say forex is fire element.
I was referring to your trading in forex as a manifestation of the parallel deity, a risk taking behavior. It's from the 10 Gods perspective and not elemental.
If you insist on trading on forex, just watch out for the Hurting Officer star, the period when it is being countered will be the time for the chart to fall apart.
Regards
Trey
Hi Trey
DeleteWhat do you think of a banking relationship manager? I was told that because it is managing money, it is actually representative of trust or Wu (HO). So its better for me to build up Wu. What do you think of this?
And i was also told that focusing on Wu is more solid and can handle the fire wood and water LP better than if i follow metal which is just like a knife, if i turn out to be follow wealth. (there is a higher chance i am more likely to be follow wealth)
Dear Trey.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your articles, I find them very useful indeed.
Born at 11th Oct 1989, 14.30pm (Malaysia). I plotted my chart as below (Kindly correct me wherever possible):
Xin Jia Jia Ji
Wei Chen Xu Si
I believe the structure above is a Follow Wealth Structure with Excessive Wealth Elements (Earth). Also, born at Month of Xu, with Gui appears only at Day Masters Hidden Stem & as a result of Chen Xu Earthly Branch Clash. Being a DO Structure, it favours Wealth Star (Producing) & Resource Star (Protect).
This chart is also very 'Dry'. Therefore, the Primary Useful God here is Gui (DR). Secondary Useful Gods are: Jia (F), Ding (HO) & Geng (7K). It doesn't seem that the Protective gods are strategically placed in the Chart, to protect the Useful Gods from External Sha Qi.
Would a career in Petroleum Engineering / Public Speaking be favourable to my chart? If not, what are your suggestions to maximise my potential?
When are the challenging & favourable 10 Year luck pillars to anticipate?
Appreciate your guide.
Yours sincerely,
Choong
Hi Choong
DeleteXin Jia Jia Ji
Wei Chen Xu Si
Jia DM does not follow anything. All the other HS can follow, Jia wood will not follow.
IMO, this is a Wealth / Officer structure. A very good chart I must say.
Do whatever you will, destiny is kind to you.
All the best,
Trey
Dear Trey,
ReplyDeleteHope you have been well. Your blog is such a wealth of information, very useful for us who are not so good at Chinese.
At the beginning of the year, I asked you about a male born on 05SEP1981 at 0338h in Hong Kong. Since then, he has suffered a fair bit financially, losing his job and having a number of necessary appliances breakdown during the year. Can you take a look at chart?
Thanks a million!
day61
Hi day61,
DeleteSorry, I must have missed out on your previous post. I may take a look at his chart, but I would not know what to advise as I have absolutely no idea how to improve destiny and luck. If it's okay with you I would like to use the birthday as a case study for a new post.
Regards
Hi Trey,
ReplyDeleteProbably shouldn't "hijack" the comments on the Follow Wealth Structure post.
Yes, please feel free to create a case study in a new post. Just hope we can all learn something from it.
Regards,
day61
Hi day61,
DeleteThanks and feel free to post anywhere you want. We're not in a formal forum. Consider this blog as a chit chat zone.
Thanks Trey. Just to refresh the discussion, is the chart below correct, based on birth date and time of 05SEP1981 at 0338h in Hong Kong?
DeleteGeng Bing Bing Xin
Yin Xu Shen You
He is currently working in a business management role at an investment bank. Previously working in an accounting role at an airline. Are/were these roles suitable for him? It was mentioned that his luck would be much better during his later years. Can you share the specific luck pillar or age this will happen at?
Thanks again!
day61
Hi day61,
DeleteI have been looking at this chart for a few days now, but I have no confidence in my own analysis. This seems to me as a 7K structure with Bing Xin combined to water. However I am still doubting if Bing and Xin actually do transform to water because of the three directional combination shen you xu, not to say that on that particular day, Geng metal has the command. I am trying to look for a source to refer for a 7K structure that is a result of a combination, instead of an ordinary 7K structure. So far I have not found a reference yet.
If Bing and Xin does not transform, it would be a Wealth structure and the late years after 50yo luck will be much better.
I'm still researching and this will take some time.
Can this chart follow?
ReplyDeleteJi Ding Wu Ren
You Si Shen Shen
Si Shen combo water?
Hi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteHope to learn something.
Been reading alot on this blog.
Yi Ding Ren Xin
Si Si Chen You
Ren DO protrude from Chen
Officer structure.
But Ding combine with Ren so officer structure collapse and change into indirect seal structure since Yi protrude on hour pillar.
No eating god in the chart so indirect seal remain and does not change into Owl.
Chen You = metal
Si You = half metal frame
Does both Si combine with You?
Strength
Daymaster has roots in the 2 Si so i am guessing strong enough to handle wealth and officer.
Affection
Metal wealth is very strong so i am guessing the seal is affection.
Understand strong wealth does not need to be engender but my guess is the seal is still helping in controlling HO from engendering more wealth.
Position of wood seal and metal wealth is far away so there is no conflict between these 2 gods.
Indirectly seal is benevolent and likes to be engender by officer/7killing.
Wood and water luck pillar should be good?
Pls feel free to advise, thank you.
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ReplyDeleteReferring to this blog
ReplyDeletehttp://treybazi.blogspot.com/2013/11/bazi-zpzq-to-combine-or-not-to-combine.html?m=0
原文：又有合而不以合论者，何也？本身之合也。
Also, there are combination that is not regarded as combination, why? as they involve combining with Self (DM)
盖五阳逢财，五阴遇官，俱是作合，惟是本身十干合之，不为合去。
That is 5 Yangs seeing Wealth, 5 Yins meeting Officer, although they matches, it involves Self and thus it is not regarded as 'combined away'
假如乙用庚官，日干之乙，与庚作合，是我之官，是我合之。
For example Ji DM uses Geng Officer, the DM of Yi matches with Geng Officer, that is my Officer, my combination.
何为合去？若庚在年上，乙在月上，则月上之乙，先去合庚，而日干反不能合，是为合去也。
What does it mean by 'combined away'?, If Geng is on Year stem while another Yi is on month Stem, that Geng will combine with Yi on the month Stem, and DM would have nothing to combine, that is called 'combined away'
Base on the above, 原文：又有合而不以合论者，何也？本身之合也, Direct Officer Ren is not combined away.
Direct Officer sits on Hurting Officer but has Seal on hour and Wealth on year.
Thus, the key sickness here should be Officer sitting on Hurting Officer, unless such a setup is not a sickness.
Let assume that this is a sickness and continue.
Base on Hurting Officer as a malevolent god, i think it prefers to be controlled by Seal.
伤官喜佩印以制伏，
Hurting Officer likes to be controlled by Seal, <-- HO adorned with Seal structure
I think regardless whether it is a Hurting Officer structure, Hurting Officer like to be controlled by Seal.
Refer to the link below
http://treybazi.blogspot.com/2013/03/bazi-to-use-useful-god-in-against-way.html?m=0
Wealth is plenty and strong whereas Seal is weaker.
Seal and Hurting Officer are both from the Month Earthly Branch or 月令
I recall reading something that says that it is affection to be controlled or engendered if both from the same Earthly Branch, not sure. Direct Officer is also from the Month Branch so maybe Seal is considered specially affection since it protect the Direct Officer while controlling the Hurting Officer(sickness).
So Seal will be considered as the Minister God/相神.
If there is no Hurting Officer in the chart, then i would like to think that both Wealth and Seal will be the Minister God/相神 since Directly Officer loves to be engendered by Wealth as well.
But in this case, Wealth is not favourable since it sort of protect the Hurting Officer since the nature of Wealth is to break Seal.
Refer to link below
http://treybazi.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-importance-of-minister-god.html?m=0
Favourable luck pillars should be water and wood.
Earth control Water while Metal control Wood so unfavourable luck pillars would be Earth and Metal.
Fire seems to be 50-50 since it can controlled but give birth to Earth. With Hurting Officer as priority, i guess Fire is slightly more unfavourable? Not sure.
There is alot of metal in the chart but Seal is on the hour pillar while Wealth is on the year pillar, so this is too far apart thus even without the Direct Officer, Wealth cannot hurt the Seal.
Wealth is unfavourable purely due to the fact that it can protect the Hurting Officer(sickness) from Seal.
All Wealth has the potential to destory Seal but not in this chart.
Not sure how it will work out when Wealth comes in the luck pillars specially if it on the stem of the luck pillar.
I am not sure how luck pillars interact with natal charts, neither do i know if the stem or branch is more important.
Alot of sources say the branch is more important as it forms the base of the luck for that 10 years, not sure.
But some also say the stem is more usable/moving while the branch is waiting/still. Confusing.
Hope someone can advise on the above, thank you for the kind support.
Can someone tell me if this is also follower chart?
ReplyDeleteI don’t know if this is fake follower chart.
Geng Yi Yi Yi
Chen Si You Hai
I think that Geng combines with Yi to produce metal.
Thanks for your clarification. I am a new Bazi learner.