Tuesday, March 4, 2014

BaZi: An Early Classic - 四言独步 SYDB Four Words Invincible Steps Part 5

十干化神,有影无形;无中生有,福禄难凭。
Ten stems transformation god, with shadow without form; within 'nothing' something is engendered, blessings and fortunes are difficult to be proven.

Trey:
It seems to me that the verse talks about Transformation Qi structure, also it could be talking about two different type of structures.

Anyway, in this post I can only discuss about the first phrase in the verse. The second verse is cryptic and I have no idea what it's talking about at all.

十干化神 Ten stems transformation god in my opinion refers to the transformation Qi structures (or in DTS term - the transformation image 化象), like Jia + Ji transformation to earth, Bing + Xin transformation to water, Wu + Gui transformation to fire, Geng + Yi to metal and Ren + Ding to wood.

DTS states:

化得真者只论化, 化神还有几般话
One that truly transforms is discussed only as transformation, still, the transformation god has many types of sayings. 

This DTS verse probably has two meanings:

1. That there are many types of transformation structure - there are transformation that is true, fake and follow.
2. That the transformation structure behaves in ways, that were never explained by the DTS original text. 

The commentary in DTS on this verse states that when Jia and Ji transforms to earth, the intensity of the earth should be analyzed. If earth is too strong, then it needs water as Wealth, wood as Officer and Metal as Food. That when it meets Jia or Yi in the LP or AP, it should not be regarded as 'rivalry' or 'jealousy' combination, instead it should be regarded as the 'idle god'. 

I think this commentary contradicts itself. When earth is strong, does it not need wood as Officer? how can wood become an idle god for a strong earth transformation god?

DTS also states the following on the subject of 'fake transformation'

假化之人亦多贵,孤儿异性能出类
Many people who are 'fake transformation' are also noble, orphans or people with different surname can also be outstanding.

This verse indicates that fake transformation structure can also be noble structures, but people with fake transformation structure usually have difficult young age. 

'Transformation' of the DM is often regarded as a form of 'image' 象. A stem has 2 images i.e the original image and the transformed image. For example, Jia original image is wood and transformed image is earth, Bing original image is fire and transformed image is water etc.

When the DM sees its pairing (like Jia seeing Ji) among the stems, it has a tendency to transform. Transformation is then analyzed on the basis of how 'True' it is, then the structure is classified as 'true transformation' 真化 or 'fake transformation' 假化, probably for the sake of simplicity. I believe that transformation is continuum, rather than absolute.

A poem in SMTH 巫咸撮要 WuXianCuoYao, briefly discuss about transformation structure.

又若化格成象,须分衰旺相停。
Also when the transformation structure manages to become image, it must be distinguished as weak, prosperous or equal

尤宜配合之中,要识往来去路。
It is good that within the combination and matching, one knows the way where it comes and goes

金绝艮北,火没乾西,木落坤南而无形,水到巽东而无位。
Metal extincts and northern Gen, fire extinguished at western Qian, wood falls at southern Kun it has no shape, when water arrives at eastern Xun it has no place.

此乃阳干皆死,遇合而以类相从,
That is when all Yang stems die, when it meet its pairing, it joins,

妻若潜形,但见局中。
if the wive hides, hopefully it is seen in the structure

而可决阴生四正,时旺者身贵家荣。死绝墓伤类伤干,尤为不足。
and it can be decided that Yin (of Yin and Yang) is birthed at the four cardinals (Mao, Wu, You and Zi), that when it is prosperous (supported by season), one is noble and his family glorious. When it is dead, extinct, entombed, injuring others, injuring the stems, that is regarded as especially insufficient.

化气入格不破,大显贵者十有八九。
When the transformation Qi is not broken, eight or nine out of ten (people with the structure) are prominently noble.

化气失局有伤,论显荣者百无二三。
When the transformation Qi lost its frame or is injured, there would be no more than two or three people out of 100 who are prominent and glorious.

最高最贵者,居旺处三位,需要相扶持。
The highest (of status) and most noble of people, resides in prosperity places of three individuals, they must be mutually assisting. 

至贱至贫者,居衰处,四柱难寻造化。
The lowliest and poorest of people, resides at declining places, it is difficult to find a structure within the four pillars.

元象在地支之中,配合在天干之内。
The origin of image lies within the earthly branches, the matching and combination within the heavenly stems

象成旺用,皆生火土之中。四柱无伤,直列朝廷之上。
The image that is successfully created, prosperous and is used, are all engendered within fire and earth. If there is no injury within the four pillars, one is placed high in the imperial court


In my opinion, the truest transformation happens under these conditions:
1. Transformation god has the command of the month
2. Transformation god has the support of a frame
3. Transformation god meets the dragon (EB Chen)
4. Transformation god protrudes in heaven

In most cases, all these 4 criteria are not met, it is up to the reader to decide if the transformation is true or fake, and then decide which deities would be favorable to the chart. 

There is no definitive guidelines to do this, there is no sufficient information regarding transformation structure available in literature (AFAIK) to help us to do this correctly and SYDB acknowledges this difficulty.

5 comments:

  1. Hi Trey,

    I've only been interested in BaZi for the last few months, and I'd like to thank you for the fascinating and generous information on your blog.

    If you don't mind, and whenever you have time, could you please take a look at the following to see if they're follower charts or just weak DM charts:

    1) Female
    Yi Gui Geng Bing
    Mao Mao Yin Wu

    - If I'm not mistaken, with Resource in heaven stem, even though the DM and Resource have no roots and out of season, this can't be a follower chart (favorable elements are Wood, Fire & Earth), so it's only a weak Gui DM, and favorable elements are Metal and Water, maybe also Earth, since Gui DM can't be countered by Wu earth with Geng next to it?

    - Also, Geng and Yi can't combine or transform to Metal because Gui DM is between them, and the month commander (Yin) won't allow anyway, is this correct?


    2) Male
    Geng Jia Wu Xin
    Wu Xu Xu Hai

    - Jia DM has root in Hai, and Resource is in the year branch but doesn't protrude: weak DM (favorable elements are Water & Wood), or follower (favorable elements are Fire, Earth & Metal)?

    - Also, if a Luck Pillar or Annual Pillar comes with Gui on heaven stem, then Wu earth in the month stem of the natal chart can combine with Gui and transform to Fire, which is allowed by the month commander Xu, can't it?

    Some masters say that if Resource for the DM is available anywhere in the chart (either a heaven stem or earthly branch) then it can't be a follower chart. However, some others say that only if the Resource is in the heaven stems then it can't be a follower chart (as in the 1st chart), but if the Resource is only in an earthly branch and doesn't protrude, and especially when Resource is countered, for example, by the 2 wealth stars (Xu) as in the 2nd chart, then the DM may still be able to follow. So many different views from different masters, so for a beginner like myself it's rather confusing.

    Thank you very much for your time and advice.

    Regards,

    Tom

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    1. I can't determine the first one..double check with luck which supports metal.

      pretty sure 2nd one is not follower chart

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    2. From the first chart's LPs and experiences, it looks like this is just a normal weak DM, favors metal & water, and even earth (due to metal next to DM). I don't have data for the 2nd one yet.

      Thank you very much for your help, Ericka.

      Regards,

      Tom

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    3. I agree is hard to follow when month stem appears support, month is a critical pillar for bazi analysis. Geng Yi combines on the stem to form metal.

      This girl's life must be good with Seal regulating Output and running metal cycles. Extremely clever and leading good life.

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  2. Transformation topic is difficult, need some real life examples.

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