Wednesday, March 25, 2015

A forum to discuss Classical BaZi

Dear treasured readers,

Arne has put a forum to discuss about classical BaZi here:

Please let Arne know if you'd like to join the new forum for discussion or just for peeping.

The forum / wiki contains many articles written or translated by various authors, including the classics and modern baZi.

Many case studies will be posted and discussed.


Thursday, March 19, 2015

BaZi: DTS 清浊 Clear and Murky

One that is completely clear with essence and spirit,

Taken easily as a life of truly noble and wealthy,

Murky runs still imploring for clarity, clarity will be attained,

When the time comes, the chilling valley will return to spring.

A plate full of murky Qi makes people suffer,

A structure of withering clarity also makes people suffer

Half murky and half clear are similarly acceptable,

Many successes and failures through days and nights. 

BaZi: DTS 官杀 Authorities 伤官 Hurting Officer

If you ask me about mixed authorities, some can be (mixed), some cannot be.

It's difficult so analyze Hurting Officer seeing Officer, some can see, some cannot see.

BaZi: DTS - 真假 True and Fake

Look for the one on the command for it gathers to be true

The fake god do not disturb to true god,

The true god attains usefulness, one's life is noble

Use the unreal, one is merely a commoner.

The mixing of the true and the fake is difficult to analyze,

That is not apparent, that is not obscured, is poverty stricken,

The Outline that is not illuminating with the true god,

In obscured places, look for the real, it is also attainable. 

Sunday, March 15, 2015

The original ZiPing

The Odes of Ming Tong
Authored by Xu ZiPing of DongHai, explained by Wan YuWu of YiShui

and Trey of Kampung Sayang 

TaiJi is judged as Heaven and Earth, one Qi is separated as Yin and Yang, It flows out the 5 elements, transform and engendered ten thousand being, and they decide the Lives of people, the origin of the poor, wealthy, noble and lowly is such. When the practitioners have known the mechanism, they can determine the auspiciousness, inauspiciousness, disaster or blessing.


Xu ZiPing: 凡看命,以日干为主,统三元而配合八字干支。
When analyzing Life (BaZi), use the Day Stem as the Master, gathers the 3 Origins and match them with the eight characters Stems and Branches.

Wan YuWu: Heaven has for Times (Seasons), created ten thousand beings. A House has four pillars, each with their own dimensions; Life has 4 pillars, that decide glory or condemnation. When analyzing, use the Day Stem as the Master of Day Origin, the ones above are the Earth Origin of Fortune branches, the ones hidden are Human Origin of Longevity. The eight characters are the 4 characters in the Heavenly Stems and the 4 characters from the Earthly branches, altogether there are 8 characters. <<Ju Shan Pian>> says: Four pillars are determined, the three talents are then identified, focus on the HS of the Day Stem, matches with the 8 characters. 

Trey: The three origins 三元 is the same as the three talents 三才. They refer to the Heavenly Origin, 天元, the Earth Origin, 地元 and the man Origin 人元. They are just terms referring to the HS, EB and HHS. 

To discuss Luck, take the Month EB as the leader, separates into four seasons and analyzes the rise and fall of the 5 elements.

The LP begins from the month EB, thus the Month is known as the KeyPoint (or Outline). Look at the deepness or shallowness of the term for the month EB, which term is within the season. Earth, Spring is for wood, Summer is for fire, Autumn is for Metal, Winter is for water, ??. The rise and fall of Qi for the beginning of Qi and the middle of Qi is different. For the LP, it could go for or it could go against, it could be prosperous or waning, it could support the BaZi or exhaust it, it could counter or engender,??. Firstly, analyze the Day Stem, secondly analyze the Month Branch, ....

Success is when it is towards the Officer, Noble is when it has a structure. Officer, Seal, Wealth and Food are auspicious. When it is calm it is good; Devil, Hurt, Owl and Failing are inauspicious, but if they are transformed to be Useful, it is a blessing.

The stages of Arriving Officer (LinGuan) and Imperial Prosperity (DiWang) at the four pillars are places of success. When (a chart) has a structure, it is a hundred (good), when the structure is broken, it is lowly. such as Officer, Seal, Wealth and Food are of auspicious type, there must not be injury or counter, clashes, punishment, breakage and failing, when it is calm, it is good and is considered as having a structure. Devil, Hurt, Owl and Failing, are inauspicious spirits, if there are restraint, discard and saving, combination and transformation, they are considered as transformed to be Useful, which is a blessing, that is also called having a structure. When one has taken and use a certain structure, its favorable and unfavorable (entities) can be naturally seen. The 4 auspicious, the 4 inauspicious are the most important (concept) of the chart, thus some classics say: The state of Day Master is better at Healthy and Prosperous, The Useful God cannot be damaged or Injured. That is it.


This except talks exactly about the concept of 顺逆, which was previously discussed in the topic of Follow Use and Against Use. Notice that the name of the gods are somehow different from ZPZQ.

Officer, Seal, Wealth and Food are benevolent, so they need to be engendered or protected. They should not be injured, clashed, countered, etc in order for a chart to successfully establish a structure.

Devil (7K), Hurt (HO), Owl and Failing (Rob Wealth / YangRen) are malevolent, so they need to be
- Restrained (eg 7K seeing Food)
- Discarded and Saved(Refer to the previous few chapter)
- Transformed (eg the month command is combined and transformed into another element)

for the chart to successfully establish a structure.

Also notice the last sentence,

DM is preferred to be Healthy and Prosperous, Useful God cannot be damaged or Injured.

Healthy is a term that is used to describe a weak DM getting support from the Seal. Prosperous means the DM is having enough Qi as in having ChangSheng, Lu or DiWang.

When DM is not having Qi, such as in the stages of Death and Extinction, meeting a Seal is called

死处逢生 - At dead place encounters 'engendering' or 绝处逢生 - At Extinct place encounters engendering.

There's a chapter in SMTH Discussing Seal that explains this. Although the DM is without Qi and not prosperous, but it is considered Healthy.

Some DMs have Qi. but at the same time encountering too many Seals. That is also not Healthy.

In summary, the classics does not say that a strong DM is better than a weak DM. This is a common misconception. The correct term for a good DM is 建旺, Healthy / Prosperous.

In ZPZQ, Master Shen XiaoZhean stresses 2 main concepts when analyzing a chart.

1. Look for 'Affection' - 有情 - which refers to a chart having the correct dynamics between the gods. I.e the benevolent gods be protected and supported, and the malevolent gods be restrained or transformed.

2. Look for Strength - 有力- which refers to the entities in the chart having Qi to play their parts.

These 2 concepts are named differently from classics to classics, but the fundamentals remain the same as explained by the founder of the system Mr Xu ZiPing and Master Wan of Ming dynasty.