Friday, June 28, 2013

BaZi: ZPZQ - 论财 Wealth Discussion

It's a boring Saturday afternoon and I'm studying ancient Chinese bazi charts

ZPZQ says:



财为我克,使用之物也,以能生官,所以为美。为财帛,为妻妾,为才能,为驿马,皆财类也。
Wealth is something that I control and thus I can use, it can engender Officer, that is why it is good. It represents wealth (money), wives and concubines, talents and capabilities, post horse, all that is related to wealth.


财喜根深,不宜太露,然透一位以清用,格所最喜,不为之露。
Wealth (star) likes to be deeply rooted, it's not good to be too exposed, and if there's only one protruding and is used, that is most desired for (wealth) structure, it is not regarded as too exposed.


即非月令用神,若寅透乙、卯透甲之类, 一亦不为过,太多则露矣。
Even if it's not the Useful God from the Month's Decree, if it is like Yin with protruding Yi, or Mao with protruding Jia, one is not too much, many is considered exposed.


然而财旺生官,露亦不忌,盖露不忌,盖露以防劫,生官则劫退,譬如府库钱粮,有官守护,即使露白,谁敢劫之?
And as for 'Prosperous Wealth engendering Officer', (having wealth) exposed is not dreadful, that is because Officer can prevent Robbery (Rob Wealth), when Officer is engender, Rob Wealth would retreat, it's like the food storage that belongs to the government, guarded by the officer, even if the food storage is exposed, who would dare to rob?


如葛参政命,壬申、壬子、戊午、乙卯,岂非财露?唯其生官,所以不忌也。
Like the chart of minister Ge,


Yi Wu Ren Ren

Mao Wu Zi Shen


Is it not that wealth is exposed? but it is engendering Officer, so that is okay.


Trey:

Wu born in Zi month with 2 Rens protruding,Ren (wealth) engenders Yi (Officer), Officer could guard the wealth from being robbed.


财格之贵局不一,有财旺生官者,身强而不透伤官,不混七煞,贵格也
The noble structures for Wealth structures are many, there's 'Prosperous Wealth engendering Officer', Self is strong and Hurting Officer is not protruding, and it does not mix with 7K, that is a noble structure.

原文:有财用食生者,身强而不露官,略带一位比劫,益觉有情,如壬寅、壬寅、庚辰、辛巳,杨待郎之命是也。透官身弱,则格坏矣.
There's Wealth that is engendered by Food, Self is strong and Officer is not exposed or if it carry one Compare Shoulder or Rob Wealth, that is still affectionate, like

Xin Geng Ren Ren
Si   Chen Yin Yin
Chart of Minister Yang,.

If Officer protrudes and Self is weak, structure is broken.

有财格佩印者,盖孤财不贵,佩印帮身,即印取贵。
Then there's 'Wealth structure adorned with Seal', that solitary Wealth is not noble, to adorn with Seal to support self, and Seal can grant nobility.


如乙未、甲申、丙申、庚寅,曾参政之命是也,然财印宜相并,
like

Geng Bing Jia Yi

Yin Shen Shen Wei

Chart of minister Cheng, with Wealth and Seal protruding together.




如乙未、己卯、庚寅、辛巳,乙与己两不相能,即有好处,小富而已。
like

Xin Geng Ji Yi

Si Yin Mao Wei

Yi and Ji does not enable each other, even if it's still good, it's only a little wealthy.


有用食而兼用印者,食与印两不相碍,或有暗官而去食护官,皆贵格也。
There's one that uses Food but also uses Seal at the same time. Food and Seal should not hinder each other, of if there's hidden Officer and Food is discarded to protect the Officer, these are noble structures.


如吴榜眼命,庚戌、戊子、戊子、丙辰,庚与丙隔两戊而不相克,是食与印不相碍也。
Like the chart of BangYan Wu (the person who came second in imperial exam)

Bing Wu Wu Geng

Chen Zi Zi Xu

That Geng and Bing does not counter each other, Seal and Food does not hinder each other.


如平江伯命,壬辰、乙巳、癸巳、辛酉,虽食印相克,而欲存巳戊官,是去食护官也。反是则减福矣
Like the chart of Ping JiangBo,

Xin Gui Yi Ren

You Si Si Chen

Even if Food and Seal counter each other, but it is desired to save Si Wu Officer, and thus to discard Food to protect Officer, but it also reduces the blessing.


Trey: This is confusing, Gui born in Si is Wealth structure, but Xin protrudes changes that Useful God to Seal, Seal counters Food, the text says this is good because Seal is protecting Wu earth Officer inside Si, I don't know why.. it seems strange to me.


有财用伤官者,财不甚旺而比强,辂露一位伤官以化之,
There's Wealth that uses Hurting Officer, Wealth is not really prosperous but parallels are strong, when one Wealth is exposed, Hurting Officer can transform parallels to Wealth.

如甲子、辛未、辛酉、壬辰,

like

Ren Xin Xin Jia

Chen You Wei Zi


甲透未库,逢辛为劫,壬以化劫生财,汪学士命是也,财旺无劫而透伤,反为不利,盖伤官本非美物,财轻透劫,不得已而用之。
Jia is protruding from it's storage Wei, seeing Xin as Rob (compare shoulders are sometimes referred as rob wealth too), Ren transforms Rob to engenders Wealth, it's the chart of Imperial secretary Wang, prosperous Wealth without Rob and protruding Hurt is not good, as Hurting Officer is not something good, but when Wealth is weak and Rob is protruding, there was no other choice but to use Hurting Officer.

旺而露伤,何苦用彼?徒使财遇伤而死生官之具,安望富贵乎?
When Wealth is prosperous and Hurt is protruding, why does it need to use Hurt? When wealth is prosperous Hurting Officer could counter Officer, how could it hope to be wealthy and noble?

有财带七煞者,或合煞存财,或制煞生财,皆贵格也,
There's Wealth that carries 7K, if 7K is combined and Wealth is saved or if 7K is controlled and Wealth is engendered, these are noble structures

如毛状元命,乙酉、庚辰、甲午、戊辰,合煞存财也;
Like ZhuangYuan Mao chart


Wu Jia Geng Yi

Chen Wu Chen You

7K is combined and Wealth is saved.


李御史命,庚辰、戊子、戊寅、甲寅,制煞生财也。
Like the imperial ambassador Li chart


Jia Wu Wu Geng

Yin Yin Zi Chen

7K is controlled and Wealth engendered.

有财用煞印者,党煞为忌,印以化之,格成富局,若冬土逢之亦贵格。
There's Wealth that uses 7K and Seal, many 7K is a taboo, Seal is used to transform, the structure becomes a wealthy structure, if it's Earth born in Winter, it's also a noble structure.


如赵侍郎命,乙丑、丁亥、己亥、乙亥 化煞而即以解冻,又不露财以杂其印,所以贵也。
Like minister Zhao,

Yi Ji Ding Yi

Hai Hai Hai Chou

transforms 7K and defrosts the chart, wealth is not exposed to contaminate the Seal, that's why it is noble.


若财用煞印而印独,财煞并透,非特不贵,亦不富也。
If Wealth uses 7K and Seal and Seal is solitary, or Wealth and 7K are both protruding, it's neither Wealthy nor noble.


至于壬生午月,癸生巳月,单透财而亦贵,又月令有暗官也。
And as for Ren born in the month of Wu, or Gui born in the month of Si, even if only Wealth is protruding, it is considered noble, as the Month Decree has a hidden Officer.


如丙寅、癸巳、癸未、壬戌,林尚书命是也。
Like the chart of minister Lin.

Ren Gui Gui Bing

Xu Wei Si Yin



又壬生巳月,单透财而亦贵,以其透丙藏戊,弃煞就财,美者存在赠者弃也。
Also for Ren born in the month of Si, if only Wealth is protruding, it is also regarded as noble, as the protruded Bing has a hidden Wu, to abandon 7K and follow Wealth (does not mean DM follow Wealth), keep the good and discard the bad.

如丙辰、癸巳、壬戌、壬寅,王太仆命是也。
Like the chart of Grand Tutor Wang

Ren Ren Gui Bing

Yin Xu Si Chen


至于劫刃太重,弃财就煞,如一尚书命,丙辰、丙申、丙午、壬辰,此变之又变者也
If Yang Ren or Rob Wealth are too heavy, abandon Wealth to follow 7K,

Like the chart of some minister

Ren Bing Bing Bing

Chen Wu Shen Chen

End of chapter...

9 comments:

  1. Hi Trey,

    Xin DM with a Wealth supported by HO structure but stem see 2 Geng RW with no officer or devil to control RW. In Yi hai pillar, RW combined away so better for Wealth chart but would you consider that due to the Geng yi combo, although wealth luck is better for the DM but will still need to share some wealth with RW?

    By the way, when you say “protruding”, does it mean the element is on the stem and rooted in the branch or as long as it appears in the stem, it is considered “protruding” ?

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  2. Dear Joe,

    Can you post the BaZi? I don't get the picture.

    Protruding generally means stems appearing in HS regardless of the EBs.

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  3. sorry for the confusion. The chart is below

    Xin xin Geng Geng
    Mao Hai chen shen

    As this female DM is born in spring and with the mao hai wood / wealth combo, I read her as a Wealth structure supported by HO due to the Chen shen water/HO combo.

    In yi Hai pillar Geng RW will be combined away. If my assessment of her structure is correct, then the Yi geg combo will be beneficial for her but she will still need to share wealth with RW ?

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  4. Hmmm, this is tricky, I share your point of view that this should be Wealth structure, but Water frame cannot be formed without Zi and water is absent in the HS, the structure is there but it is not complete.

    Yi Hai would probably be a neutral pillar, it's true that Yi is combined away but it has the support from Hai Mao half frame, that makes it still available and I agree with you it will be shared with the parallel and rob wealths.

    Zi LP seems very auspicious as it can transform metal into water and water can engender wood.

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  5. Hi Trey,

    Zi LP is represented by Bing Zi. Bing is DO to Xin DM which is auspicious, helps to control RW and also because chart has no fire. But will the water frame counter Bing or will the Xin Bing combo protect Bing?

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  6. Dear Joe,

    If the LP is Bing Zi, I'm afraid it's not an auspicious pillar.

    As Shen Zi Chen will combine into Hurting Officer while Bing is the Officer.

    This will become 伤官见官 Hurting Officer seeing Officer, which is inauspicious. Although Hai Mao can lessen the effect by mediating fire and water, it's still generally an inauspicious pillar.

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  7. Hi Trey,

    Do you mean that the 6 heavenly stem combination only take places in the natal chart and not with the luck pillar?

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  9. Hi Joe,

    Xin xin Geng Geng
    Mao Hai chen shen

    My guess is that this is a Direct Seal structure due to the Wu earth in Chen.

    While generally Direct Seal structure seems to favour weak DM, i recall reading strong DM with strong Seal is possible if certain conditions are met.

    Self is strong, seal is strong.
    Alot of metal, earth has command.
    Seal like to have officer or 7killing to engender, no officer in this chart.

    Yi Hai 10 years luck pillar
    My understanding so far is Yi Geng will combine but not transform thus effectively losing the use of these 2 stars which seems to be good for the chart.

    Bing Zi 10 years luck pillar
    Bing Xin will combine but not transform, i think this is better than Yi Hai as Xin sits on her wealth EB.
    Since Shen Zi Chen combine to form a water frame, base on Zi it will become Eating God.
    Since Bing and Xin are both combined away, there is no Officer meeting Hurting Officer.
    My guess is this luck pillar should be favourable with Metal Water Wood flowing.

    Hopefully Trey will pop by to guide us.

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