Thursday, October 24, 2013

BaZi: SMTH 论印绶 Discuss Seal and Ribbon part 3

经云:官刑不犯,印绶与天德同宫。
The classic says: One is not punished by law, Seal and ribbon is in the same court as TianDe.


又曰:素食慈心,印绶喜逢于天德。
Also: Being a vegetarian with a compassionate heart, Seal and ribbon likes to meet TianDe.


如孟重都宪:乙亥、丁亥、乙丑、丙戌,是印绶与天德同宫。
The the chart of Meng ZhongDu:


Bing Yi Ding Yi
Xu Chou Hai Hai

Seal and ribbon is in the same court as TianDe.


一命甲寅、丙寅、丙寅、丁酉,是天德在丁,月德在丙,印绶在寅。
Another chart


Ding Bing Bing Jia
You Yin Yin Yin


TianDe is at Ding while YueDe at Bing, Seal and ribbon is at Yin


一命庚申、庚辰、庚子、壬午,是天德月德俱在壬,印绶在辰是也。
Another chart


Ren Geng Geng Geng
Wu Zi Chen Shen

TianDe and YueDe are both at Ren, Seal and Ribbon is at Chen.



此格大要生旺,最忌死绝。
Structures like this must have the Qi or Birth and Prosperity, and most unfavorable are Qi of Death and Extinction.


如果乙见亥子为印,见金成其仁义生养,印元见土则混杂其格,运行西北,官印为福,若时引归卯辰巳地,或运行此地,财印归死绝,流年再遇财克印,决入黄泉无疑。
If Yi sees Hai or Zi as Seal, seeing Metal would complete its 'benevolence and righteousness engendering and nurturing', if Seal sees Earth then it would contaminate the structure, when Luck goes to west, Officer and Seal are blessings, if the EBs of Month, Day and Hour are Mao, Chen or Si, or if the Luck Pillar goes to these EB, Wealth and Seal are returned to Death and Extinction, and if LiuNian (Small Luck) seeing Wealth countering Seal again, it would definitely result in death of that person.


印绶合格,行大运最忌印绶变合,遇地支三合,或变为伤局,或变成财局,或变成煞局,最为不吉。
Seal and ribbon combination structure, it is most unfavorable when Seal is combined, or the EBs has the triple combo, or if it changes to become a Hurting frame, or become a Wealth frame or become a Devil frame, that is most inauspicious.


Trey: For example Xin metal born in the month of Chen, seeing Zi and Shen would form a water frame, which is also the Hurting Officer frame for DM, refers to Useful God changes

6 comments:

  1. Hi Trey,

    For a Yi DM, if EB is Mao, Chen or Si, wealth and Seal are retuned to Death and Extinction? This Death and Extinction cannot be referring to 12 Stages so what is it actually?

    Also, “Seal and ribbon combination structure, it is most unfavorable when Seal is combined, or the EBs has the triple combo, or if it changes to become a Hurting frame, or become a Wealth frame or become a Devil frame, that is most inauspicious.” Is this still applicable for a strong DM.?


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  2. Dear Joe,

    [For a Yi DM, if EB is Mao, Chen or Si, wealth and Seal are retuned to Death and Extinction? This Death and Extinction cannot be referring to 12 Stages so what is it actually?]

    For a Yi DM born in Hai or Zi, it is a Seal structure.

    Mao,and Si are Death and Extinction for the Water Seal. Chen is Wealth and can break the Seal

    [Also, “Seal and ribbon combination structure, it is most unfavorable when Seal is combined, or the EBs has the triple combo, or if it changes to become a Hurting frame, or become a Wealth frame or become a Devil frame, that is most inauspicious.” Is this still applicable for a strong DM.?]

    Generally, it does, Hurting Officer and 7K are malevolent gods. When the frame transforms Seal into either of them, it means Useful God becomes inauspicious.

    As for Wealth frame, it can break the Seal, so it is also considered inauspicious. Seal is a benevolent Useful God that should be supported, according to the 顺用 concept.

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  3. Dear Trey,

    Thks for your reply. Mao and Si are Death and extinction for Ren but they are Chang shang and Tai for Gui. Why then was Zi included in the comment ?

    For a ding DM with Wu Yin in month pillar, Yin which is Seal for Ding is at Death stage. Do I read this as Seal and Ribbon is in Death stage as well ?

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  4. Dear Joe

    The 12 Qi phases of elements usually refers to the Yang Stem, that is because of the nature of Yin and Yang, Yang persists and Yin surrenders.

    As said in DTS 五阳从气不从势, 五阴势气无情义.
    The five Yangs follow the Qi, do not follow the intensity, the five Yins follow the intensity with neither affection nor duty.

    When Yang Stem is in Chang Sheng, its Qi persists in that particular EB. For example Water ChangSheng in Shen, Shen contain HS Ren.

    When Yin Stem is in Chang Sheng, it does not persist its Qi, it follows the 势 (Intensity) of the season, for example Gui water ChangSheng in Mao, Mao's intensity is wood, so Gui would just follow wood Qi, consequently Mao does not have Gui underneath.

    This concept is the reason why some practitioners totally disregard the 12 Qi stages of Yin stems and use only 12 Qi stages of Yang stems.

    For Ding DM born in Yin,

    Yin is the LinGuan stage for wood (Seal), Chang Sheng stage for fire (DM). So Seal and Ribbon is in LinGuan stage.

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  5. Correction:

    so Gui would just follow wood intensity ,

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  6. Dear Trey,

    I know of 2 famous masters who disregard the 12 Qi stages of Yin stems but they never explained the rational. Now I understand why this is so. Thank you for explaining this.

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